We have been asked several times what is the maximum size battery the Mostro can handle.
Here’s two diagrams.
The Maximum size (shown 8000 mah packs )
Max size 344mm x 53mm x 71mm
The typical 12S 5000 mah packs.
Typical size of two Large 5000 mah batteries on a tray is 322mm x 53mm x 51.6mm
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We initially expected release of the Mostro to be roughly 45 days after the IRCHA 2013 event which ended on August 5th. That would put it roughly around September 19th.
During this time we have been testing the final production version before release and recently some of our pilots expressed concern about what they had seen happening lately in other brands where customers started using overpowered motor setups in their 700 sized machines making some of their components fail.
One of the main concerns was the one-way bearing power handling under those conditions. We went ahead and sourced one of those motors and power systems and subjected one of the production prototypes to this overpowered setup and found that under those conditions the one-way could can slip intermittently during certain maneuvers.
After this result we decided we needed to quickly develop a new pulley and use two one-way bearings instead of one to double the load capacity for this kind of setups. The result as seen in the pictures below is a new pulley that has a double the one-way bearings and since we were increasing the power handling we went to a much wider belt to add to the power handling capacity. These new parts took care of the issue and are now the standard parts coming in the kits to be released.
As a result there were several parts that were affected by this change including among others the main pulley with the double one-way bearing, the tail driver pulley, the motor pulley for a wider belt, the intermediate shaft, the boom clamps, the frames, the idler pulley posts and some other minor parts. Due to these developments and barring some unexpected problem we need to recalculate our release date to be two or three weeks later than originally planned so we have time to make enough of the updated parts for the release kits. That would put the release date in the Oct 10th range. Thankfully those parts are all made in-house so we expect to have them done relatively quick.
One of the things we didn’t want to do is release a kit and immediately have to release a high power double one-way upgrade kit making the effective kit price be much higher and having dealer have to stock double the parts for those items. We will keep you posted of any developments along the way if needed.
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We have gotten quite a bit of emails asking about the difference between the Aurora and Mostro Yokes as well as between the Mostro RigidCore™ FA yoke and the Mostro RigidCore™ DFC yoke so here are some clarifications.
1) RigidCore™
RigidCore™ applies to all the heads. RigidCore™ is the dampening system invented by Avant that allows a virtually rigid head to be smooth even at low head speeds while in hover. This is attained by the development of a special non-linear compression polymer used in the dampeners and some other techniques and that’s about all we’re going to reveal about it :).
Experienced pilots that have flown a RigidCore™ head know how smooth and at the same time super-crisp and agile a RigidCore™ head is compared to pretty much all the the other FBL heads in the market. This technology is also part of the Mostro heads both the FA (Follower Arms) and the DFC (Direct Flight Control).
2) Head height.
Both Mostro heads the FA and the DFC are of the exact same height. Because we use the RigidCore™ technology we don’t need to use a softer dampener system in a FA head or increase the height of the head as it’s forced to on less advanced systems.
3) Spindle and Main Shaft diameters.
The Mostro spindle is 10mm and the Main Shaft is 12mm.
In this picture you can see an Aurora Spindle and a Mostro spindle.
4) Difference in Dampeners
The Mostro heads use a larger RigidCore™ dampener.
4) Performance differences.
The main difference between the Mostro FA and DFC rotor head systems is DFC simplicity compared to a FA rotor head system. Since there are many customers who want that simplicity Avant took a step back and analyzed the DFC style rotor head and evolved it even further by eliminating fatigue point issues present in many designs. Some other brand designers attempting to minimize the fatiguing issues ended up with loose heads that caused the rotor head to lose its crispness. The end result with the Avant heads is that if you like the DFC style head because of the simplicity you have now a head that’s designed properly and works as intended and you’re not going to be penalized by lack of crispness, metal fatigue or other issues that other DFC heads have.
As far as performance between the Mostro version of the DFC vs. the Mostro FA Rotor heads there have absolutely no performance differences, simply a user preference on which rotor system they would like to own, with the DFC being slightly more simplistic due to the lower parts count. They both use the RigidCore™ dampening system and they are both smooth, fast, crisp and agile.
Here’s Jason “Donkey Kong” Bell.
Dan “diggitydan” Farley
Tom “the Boss” Heffel.
Jack “Frost” Imparatto.
The Avant Girls 2013
Hope to see you next year again at IRCHA 2014!
Pre-Orders for the Mostro 700 helicopters are open now.
No deposit and no charges until shipped and you can cancel anytime.
Click here to go place your pre-order at CarbonXtreme.com
There is a 3D monster inside you. Let it out; unleash the beast inside you with the ultimate refinement in the current trend of helicopter designs.
Avant releases the Mostro Line of Radio Control Helicopters
Aptly named the “Mostro”, the machine is the refining of the current trends in the helicopter world It is a double stage, direct-to-swash machine available with either a refined DFC head, that combines the superior technology used in the RigidCore head with a correctly designed Direct Flight Control (DFC) system or the follower arm version of the RigidCore head for the Mostro.
Two heads from the headmasters…
Some people say that FBL heads are all the same because the flybarless unit is the one doing all the work. But, people who owns a RigidCore head knows better than that. The RigidCore head is a refined design that has none of the bad tendencies that plague other FBL heads have such as: wobbles at low head speeds; low energy retention autos; dampening-generated vibrations, and other well known issues that people tend to dismiss as quirks. We at Avant are not happy unless the flying experience is one of true mastery of the mechanics and physics of the machine. This is why we took the time to refine a DFC head that would match our standards.
We wouldn’t be happy knowing that a potential fatigue issue such as the one that plagues many DFC designs would lead to a crash or alternatively, designers trying to minimize the fatigue problem that end up making the system loose enough to lose precision and crispness.
We combined the tried and true system used in the RigidCore head with polymer-based DFC follower arms that would create the perfect response yet remain durable and precise. We also added a small pinhole to the polymer that allows for the insertion of a small 1.5mm pin used to rotate the polymer bar, affecting the “turnbuckle” threads at the end. This makes the snapping in and out of ball links unnecessary, and allows for minute adjustments.
Unlike other designs, the DFC pivot point doesn’t rest on a screw, it rests on a milled shaft integral to the pitch arm eliminating the fatigue point of a screw interface.
Also, the design of the head yoke block is a piece of art. If you can make something awesome from the engineering and performance point of view why not also make it beautiful?
The Mostro version of our RigidCore head…
For those used to the excellent response of our original RigidCore head we have good news. We have made a Mostro low-profile version of the RigidCore head. The head has all the characteristics of the famous RigidCore arm follower head with the low profile used in the Mostro mechanics. Both the DFC and arm follower head are the same exact height so the style doesn’t change. You can chose the head you like for your Mostro helicopter from the beginning.
Servo layout because symmetry matters…
We wanted to have the shortest possible distance between the swashplate and servos without resorting to weird geometries, that forces the electronic FBL unit to fight back geometry that is not best suited to mimic what the radio control system’s gimbal does.
No matter what system you are using, the radio’s gimbal is composed of two potentiometers that measure two angles. Those angles are the horizontal and the vertical movements of the stick by your finger.
The best way to match that is to have symmetry in those two directions. The most critical direction in manoeuvres is the side to side movement, which is naturally better driven via two “mirror-image” configuration servos, so that manoeuvres like fast aileron tic-tocs are performed mostly by the mechanics and less by the electronics trying to compensate for the mechanics weird geometry. This results in a lessened delay between the FBL gyro sensors detection of an unintended movement created by odd geometry, and also a lessening of the correction that it has to do to compensate.
Servos need our support too…
Another thing we had seen was how fast the cyclic servos wear out because of the load on the servos that is carried exclusively by the force that the servo shaft applies to the servo case.
Servos are designed to handle torque via the gears, but not so well when forces are applied to the servo trying to bend the servo shaft. You can eliminate that by using push-pull servos driving bell cranks, like we used in the Aurora, but a push-pull system can’t be used in a direct-to-swash approach.
We thought about it and we decided to eliminate those forces by adding a support for the servo shaft by the addition of bearing-grade bronze bushings that receive a small stainless steel shaft we added to the servo screw. This eliminates the wear of the servos, saving a ton of money on servo replacements. The kit comes with the correct threads and lengths for the most popular brands of servos.
Bada-Boom! There go the boom supports…
Boom supports are a thing of the past. The machines need to look nicer. The technology is available so why not use it? Yes the obvious answer is Carbon Fiber. The lightness and extreme rigidity of the boom made out of carbon can only be enhanced when a much larger diameter boom is used. Also why round? Because round is the ideal cross-section to handle torque. If you want to try to test it yourself try applying torque to a toilet paper cardboard roll and you’ll see that the small flimsy material can handle quite a bit of torque. Now try that with a square or rectangular tube made out of the same material and you’ll see an order of magnitude of difference in torque handling.
It is not only the shape of the boom that is important, but also how it is supported. In the Mostro we have two far away spaced boom clamps that decrease the bending force applied to the boom.
We also made the area of physical contact between the clamp and the boom very large so that the clamp pressure is spread across a larger area, protecting the tube from damage due to excessive tightening.
Because you’ve got to stay cool…
Unlike the nitro Mostro, the electric Mostro canopy features two air inlets. Those are actually true NACA air inlets designed using the real aerodynamic engineering approach.
We wanted to have a way to let air in the canopy, without it looking like a patchwork of holes, and without it increasing drag. That problem was also an issue many years ago, and engineers at NACA (today’s NASA) came up with an air inlet design that allows for a high flow of air inside and minimizes the drag. We also wanted it to be functional, and again beautiful, so we added two very large NACA air inlets to the bottom of the canopy and added an air diverting plate to direct the air flow to the ESC and motor area.
Just to make sure it worked we put together a canopy with the diverting plate and tried it outside a moving vehicle. We were quite surprised at how much air goes into the canopy. Once we saw the little hurricane inside the canopy and how effective the NACA design was to draw air inside we knew it was going to be cool inside that canopy.
Size matters…
The generously sized main gear uses a much stronger tooth design and a special helical angle. Most helical angles available are not actually the best suitable angle for the application we have in radio control helicopters. Because of that we made a special angle and tooth an important part of the gear system. The large diameter gear implies lower forces per tooth applied, and the larger size of the tooth itself means much stronger strength at the base of the larger tooth.
A correctly designed helical gear gives you the quiet ride of the helical gear system with minimized undesirable axial force effect.
Extend the pleasure…
Most flyers in the hobby go to the field on a weekend and when they go to fly they spend the first couple of minutes of the flight calming down from the excitement, and when they’re just starting to enjoy the flight then all of a sudden they’re out of power or fuel.
Something as simple as battery capacity that would fit in the heli or tank fuel size can solve that problem.
The Mostro Nitro has a large 736cc tank for the fuel hungry 120 class of engines. This tank easily allows for very long flights and extends the pleasure part of the flight quite a bit. The same applies for the batteries. We designed the Mostro with the ability to carry up to 8000mah batteries. An interesting thing about large batteries is that because of the large number of milliamps a cheap 35C 8000mah battery can supply the same current as a 65C 4000 mah battery can, but you get to fly around 8-12 minutes instead.
Mono what?…
This is truly a new approach that we are introducing in the market.
When designing the Mostro, we wanted to have all the mechanics connected rigidly, without flexible elements unless dampening is required. The result was the design of what we call the Mostro “Monoblock” ( single block).
In the Monoblock design, all elements of the system that affect the gyro sensing are mounted in a rigid superstructure. No part rests on the flexible frames unless it needs dampening.
The Monoblock is actually the flying helicopter. Leaving practicality aside, you couldstrap some batteries to it without frames and fly the thing by itself!
Nitro vs Electric? How about both?
One of the best things about the Monoblock is that you could have one Monoblock and switch it between nitro and electric frames without much trouble. If you’re not sure what you like then have it your way and change it later if you want.
The nitro has a bearing block that uses the same bolt pattern as electric motors so that even the motor plate is used in the nitro. Swapping between them is pretty simple.
A dream of a tail…
A metal version of the amazing Aurora tail system is featured in the Mostro. The large travel allows for minute precise corrections without overshoot and it’s corresponding error correction by the gyro system. Smooth and crisp is the everyday response of a well designed system.
The price is right…
Pricing for the unit is US$899.99 The first batch of Mostro kits in the 700 size will start shipping in October. You can also pre-order it at CarbonXtreme.com now.
Most people don’t know this, but because we setup a mostly automated manufacturing facility our pricing of spares has been the same as Taiwanese manufacturers for about two years -almost to the cent, so you can now fly USA-made high quality product at Asian prices.
Pre-Orders for the Mostro 700 helicopters are open now.
No deposit and no charges until shipped and you can cancel anytime.
Click here to go place your pre-order at CarbonXtreme.com
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This is a helicopter that was designed from the ground up as a pure native electric heli. With the design of the Aurora Ultimate Avant re-defined the design of advanced 3D RC helicopters and now with the electric Aurora Avant is redefining what a 90-sized electric helicopter should be. This is the dream machine that sets the pace of what an electric 90 should be. Designed from the ground up as a true native electric helicopter with input from many seasoned 90 size electric pilots that were looking for the ideal 90 sized electric machine. The flying characteristics are simply unparalleled. It flies light and nimble yet with the precision of a contest machine.
The use of two inexpensive 600-class battery packs allows users to reuse their current 600 size packs as well as access the growing number of low cost battery packs becoming available. One of the concepts used in the design was minimizing damage to the packs. With that in mind we designed the mounting of the packs by attaching them to solid sections of the frames whose edges would take the brunt of a collision minimizing damage to the packs.
This innovative staggered side-slot battery placement makes it very quick and easy battery exchanges and also balances the left/right weight load to keep the cg centered and the moment of inertia minimal. The elongated right side Battery slot allows you to slide the packs back and forth to adjust for precise CG location.
This helicopter is truly the best 90 electric in the market. Unlike other designs this helicopter was designed from the start as a truly purebred electric helicopter.
The model uses the tried-and-true and very successful Avant CCPM system and the amazing Avant FBL RigidCore Head and combined them with the rest of a design that takes the state of the art in high performance 3D electric helicopters to a new level.
Features:
New AV000105 Avant 20T Metal Spur Gear
Made out of aluminum for those who want to upgrade the Delrin one to a stronger one. Ideal for those using limited edition motors and new 120 class Engines.
Avant RC announces new 120 Engine Reinforcement Kit..
This kit includes the frame reinforcements as well as the new extended bottom plate and mounting hardware required for the use of the new class of 120 size engines. It also lowers vibrations and allows for higher gains in the gyro or fbl electronics. It also makes the bottom of the carbon frame in the area tank more resistance to crashes.
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The Absolute Best 3D machine ever is the Sexiest Too!!! The Avant Aurora is the helicopter that redefined the design of advanced 3D RC helicopters. After an extensive amount of testing and refinements as well as technological breakthroughs the final product is a combination of the strongest and most reliable airframe together with the sexiest looking style that will make you the envy of everyone at your field. The flying characteristics are simply unparalleled. It flies light and nimble yet with the precision of a contest machine.
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